For those who dont know GGPO is a program that allows people to play a lot of older 2D fighting games online. People can also chat in the lobby. This is one of the chats I just recently had about religion. This is happening real time so if either side says something that doesn’t match his perspective or seems to be untrue (from his point of view) its because we are debating from memory. We didn’t prepare a bunch of theological essays, documents, and scientific reports before hand. Oh by the way; the name I’m using there is Mumm-Ra. That will clear up some confusion.
Below in the chat I will be talking about DNA, Genes and how offspring do not gain information. Thus disproving evolution. At the time I forgot to mention mutations
“Biologists are uncovering thousands of examples of how mutations lead to new traits and even new species. This claim not only flies in the face of the evidence, it is also a logical impossibility”
^That is what I will be referring to. Truth be told, I might have done a horrible job trying to explain this because I was using talking points from memory
Also here’s a link as proof between Black Americans and Jews. Which I will Also be talking about.
“New Research Finds Jews Have African Ancestry” in link below.
This time I spell check the conversation. Since it gets kind of high level it will make for a easier read. My spelling sucks.
_Don> anyway i was saying about sunni shiite….
<thompsoni> dont even start lol
<The_Don> shi-ite wanted ali to rule because he was muhamemd bloodline
<The_Don> but muhammed said, bloodline shouldnt rule. it should be best man for the job
<The_Don> so sunnis after muhammed had rulers who were not direct descendants of muhammed
<Mumm-Ra> everyone here needs to buy this game.
<The_Don> if its not democratic, then it must be bloodline, but bloodline is wrong
<thompsoni> democracy doesnt mean just elections
<The_Don> adam had a son who was evil as did Noah, so how can bloodlie be the only way?
<The_Don> thats where the confusion is, Muslims associate war policies with democracy.
<The_Don> In the UK, if we voted for war, it would have been NO, because the public didnt want it
<The_Don> but government made choice without the public approval
<The_Don> so that’s not democracy
<The_Don> but we are technically a ‘democracy’
<The_Don> even most the MP’s voted no.
<The_Don> but tony blair went ahead anyway
<thompsoni> technically well might as well call it not democracy because as we understnad it today, it means any group of people can represent themselves and be voted to rule over you.
<Mumm-Ra> no your technically fascist state just like the US. run and controlled by banks 😛
<The_Don> if you a muslim in a non muslim state, then you should accept a non muslim ruling over you, that is the islamic way
<The_Don> when muhammed went to medinah, he lived under christian rule, he didnt over throw them, he accepted them and their rule
<thompsoni> of course it’s different here. when you move to a land, you automatically make a peace treaty and a contract with them
<Mumm-Ra> aww what about shihara law 😦
<The_Don> bumba raaas raa!!!
<The_Don> you mean sharia?
<Mumm-Ra> yea that
<Mumm-Ra> i dont speak that evil language
<The_Don> even the concept sharia law is misunderstood. its not a fixed set of laws
<The_Don> over time is has changed greatly under various empires
<Mumm-Ra> it is if you ask the muslim brotherhood
<Mumm-Ra> your ideals mean nothing!
<The_Don> i dnt any of em to ask em
<The_Don> under ‘sharia law’ a muslim in a non muslim state, must be prepared to accept and follow the non muslim laws
<The_Don> ‘live by the law of the land’
<Mumm-Ra> oh so its not create your own mini government?
<The_Don> no but some muslims today do think that (very few)
<The_Don> but about 99% of non muslims also think that
<thompsoni> it’s no problem if the muslims in brit for example wanted islamic laws, but they need the permission for doing all that obviously. there’s nothing wrong in making things happen
<Mumm-Ra> King of fighters 13. A must buy game
<The_Don> thats true roger, the british law allowed us to practice our region openly
<The_Don> but that doesnt mean we can enforce islamic laws on them
<The_Don> roger the Qur’an verse….i was saying
<Mumm-Ra> be gone i say! How dare you use logic!
<The_Don> muhammed made a peace treaty with pagans, while there were muslims being persecuted in their lands
<The_Don> those muslims were not happy, saying why are making peace, they are mistreating us.
<thompsoni> they were supposed to move out from there anyway
<The_Don> ho told them, you stayed in mekkah, you didnt leave and fight for the cause, now we are making peace, so you have to accept the rules where you live
<Mumm-Ra> pagan sounds like an derogatory term
<The_Don> its the historically references term.
<The_Don> it jut means atheist
<Mumm-Ra> im going to call people i dislike pagans from now own
<The_Don> called em nig nogs instead
<The_Don> OI NIG NOG!!
<Mumm-Ra> no sucka im black. i cant reinforce negative stereotypes
<The_Don> how about squigga?
<thompsoni> mummras ancestors prob muslims
<Mumm-Ra> no they were jewish
<The_Don> so were mine
<Mumm-Ra> African Americans are of Jewish decent
<thompsoni> black Jews?
<The_Don> the think Jesus was black
<thompsoni> o man
<Mumm-Ra> the Africans sold in the slave trade were the descendants of Moses
<The_Don> but i tell them, Jesus was a Pakistani!!
<Mumm-Ra> i dont know about Jesus, but Moses wife was black
<The_Don> unless he had more than 1 wife
<Mumm-Ra> the only details the bible gives about Jesus is he had dark skin and curly hair so he could be a paki
<thompsoni> so they had a big Jewish communities in africa when they were taking them as slaves?
<The_Don> Jesus was arab/hebrew
<The_Don> like most middle easterners
<Mumm-Ra> thats not a race…
<thehoax> what middle eastern sure it is
<The_Don> im not getting into that debate.
<Mumm-Ra> theres only 3 races if you want to be technical. if you dont want to be technical then there are no races
<thehoax> turkley arib quickie mart coons
<The_Don> people argue Semite is not a race
<The_Don> arab/hebrew = demite
<ip_> man what a crappy time to enter a3 room
<thompsoni> both have common ancestor
<The_Don> so wht race are arabs then?
<Mumm-Ra> let me ask you something what race migrated to europe and the middle east?
<The_Don> arian race?
<Mumm-Ra> oh thats right BLACK. maybe that explains the dark skin 😛
<The_Don> no raa
<Mumm-Ra> yea raa
<The_Don> na raa
<The_Don> before noah humans were all 1 race
<Mumm-Ra> if you study science you know the human race started in Africa
<thehoax> no deal
<Mumm-Ra> yea and that race was black haha
<The_Don> noah had a chinky son, a black son and a white son, thas when races started
<thehoax> i dont have no crisp tan nor am im a negro
<Mumm-Ra> did you know that the only pure race is the black one?
<The_Don> ham, yam and sam
<thompsoni> racism is such a idiotic ideology
<Mumm-Ra> yea it is
<The_Don> how so raa?
<Mumm-Ra> thats why people like the don can except history. everyone thats not black cant stand to know there’s negro in their ancestry lol
<thompsoni> i dont care if youre black or white, i’m gonna atomic busta you anyway
<The_Don> lol roger
<The_Don> its true the black race has kept most preserved over time
<The_Don> ie our peple have a mixture of turkish, iranaian, arab/jewish, and indian genetics
<Mumm-Ra> what who listens to science. no animal can gain genes only lose them. black people are the most diverse people
<thehoax> yeah they sure have just does not explain the marios and aboriginals
<thehoax> in australia and NZ
<thehoax> they arent African
<Mumm-Ra> so logically speaking everyone has to star from the black race
<The_Don> their more dravidian
<The_Don> thats bollux raaa
<Mumm-Ra> no thats truth
<The_Don> big pairs of bollux
<thehoax> where do fat Americans come from
<Mumm-Ra> how come all black features are dominant?
<thehoax> native Americans
<The_Don> you need to start doing soe research raa
<thehoax> or cholo mexicans ?
<The_Don> mexicans are arab descendants
<Mumm-Ra> brown eyes? DOMINANT. curly hair, DOMINANT, dark skin DOMINANT
<Mumm-Ra> Mexicans are not a race
<Mumm-Ra> they can be black white or asian
<Mumm-Ra> most Mexicans have GERMAN surnames
<thompsoni> “All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety (taqwa) and
<thompsoni> good actions
<thompsoni> guess who said that
<The_Don> good stuff roger
<The_Don> was it justib bieber?
<The_Don> sorry roger couldnt help it
<thompsoni> you should make stupid jokes like that
<The_Don> raa the OLDEST civilizations on earth are in iraq/iran and turkey
<thehoax> how the fuck is sanchez a fucking german last name
<thehoax> man some crack heads playing sfa3
<Mumm-Ra> how old are they?
<The_Don> 15000 years
<The_Don> CIVILIZATIONS im talking about….but pieces of monkey bones
<The_Don> CIVILIZATION = intelligence
<The_Don> not pieces of bones ******
<The_Don> civilization = culture, organization, language, societies etc
<Mumm-Ra> heres the thing its the olds *known** civilizations. and thats according to you. there can be older ones
<The_Don> when you find one older in africa, let me know
<The_Don> for now the earliest civilizations are in turkey….
<The_Don> and remember we find bones fro animals millions/billions of years old.
<The_Don> so any civilization odler and more significant in africa would/shuld be easily found
<Mumm-Ra> i dont agree with carbon dating
<Mumm-Ra> but for the sake of the argument ill just pretend to agree
<The_Don> big hairy bollux!!!
<Mumm-Ra> bollux nothing. the same carbon dating says the atmosphere is 12000 years old
<The_Don> if its not accurate..its been used on ALL discoveries, so the relative answers will still be truly relative
<Mumm-Ra> how can there be life millions of years ago without air?
<The_Don> air is recycled, its not the same air all the time
<Mumm-Ra> not really because some of the artifacts could have been built in valleys
<The_Don> did you know 75% of a plants mass is from the CO2 in the air, not the soil or the water
<The_Don> and the co2 we breath out, come from carbon in our bodies, not the air we breath
<Mumm-Ra> ^no but i dont understand the point unless you tell me 😛
<The_Don> you know the water cycle?
<Mumm-Ra> im not talking about “air” i was talking about the thing that keeps the air in
<The_Don> its always regenerating
<The_Don> volcanic activity etc
<The_Don> reactions with sunlight, radiation etc
<The_Don> i did chemistry and biology at college…carbon dating is scientifically sound trust me
<Mumm-Ra> cells regenerate as well but we can tell how old animals are ^_~
<Mumm-Ra> no it isnt
<Mumm-Ra> look up rapid rocks
<The_Don> they will be an anomly…
<The_Don> every element has a half life
<The_Don> and its fixed, without outside interference.
<Mumm-Ra> they indoctrinated you well
<The_Don> no, its fact
<Mumm-Ra> good job learning that fake science
<The_Don> its proven
<Mumm-Ra> oh really? by?
<The_Don> carbon has a short half life, hence it is to commonly used
<Mumm-Ra> show me proof
<The_Don> irons half life, is like thousands of years
<The_Don> carbons was around 74 years if i remember correctly
<SweetG> ping 2 high
<Mumm-Ra> how can you even believe carbon dating and claim to be muslim. Dont you believe the first 5 books of the bible?
<Mumm-Ra> the whole genealogy of mankind is there
<solss> we dont believe they were preserved entirely
<The_Don> But scientists have long recognized that carbon dating is subject to error because of a variety of factors, including contamination by outside sources of carbon
<The_Don> from your link
<The_Don> is the error is in not spotting contamination..not the method said
<Mumm-Ra> subject to error means nothing can be proven as fact
<Mumm-Ra> its all speculation
<The_Don> as the link says….its inaccurate IF there is contamination
<The_Don> it doesnt mean everything thats been carbon dated, was contaminated
<The_Don> but SOME may have been
<Mumm-Ra> you make me laugh
<Mumm-Ra> so only the things you agree with are pure
<Mumm-Ra> is that it?
<The_Don> look a great Chinese philosopher once said….
<The_Don> man who goto bed with itchy bum, wake up with smelly finger’
<The_Don> if it is contaminated, it can only show a younger a age, not an older one
<Mumm-Ra> so only the things you agree with are “pure”?
<Mumm-Ra> Who says what is pure and what reason are they saying it for?
<The_Don> so if gobekli tepes millions of pillars all said 15000 years, and they were all contaminated by the same contaminant, then the results would show a younger age, and if 15000 is wrong, then it ust be older/
<Mumm-Ra> im not saying if its older or younger. im saying carbon dating is flawed
<The_Don> thats where logic come into it…theres hundreds of pillars, im sure they would have tested more than 1 sample to determine the age
<Mumm-Ra> im not arguing if theres an older civilization either. i just said its the oldest *known*
<The_Don> its as flawed as trying to disprove gravity in a falling plane
<Miz-Boy> this skip frame
<Mumm-Ra> it doesnt matter how many times they’ve been tested if the system is flawed…
<Miz-Boy> i hate ggpo
<ellegend> t what a stupid quiter noob?
<Mumm-Ra> idk why thats so hard to understand
<The_Don> te system isnt flawed, individual cases may be flawed
<The_Don> if your testing a fossil, then yes, it may be inaccurate
<ellegend> u always make excuses
<The_Don> but when your dealing with sites with potentially millions of testing subjects/samples, then it isnt
<Mumm-Ra> look dude. look up rapid rocks
<The_Don> theres plenty of room for trial and error for estimating sites like this
<Mumm-Ra> “experts” who were studying carbon dating for 20+ years were fooled
<The_Don> erm…no. someone just proved that certain samples were contaminated
<ellegend> tomi let me test ur gief ass?
<The_Don> the didt disprove the method
<thompsoni> lets go
<Mumm-Ra> no, they prove them flat out wrong
<Mumm-Ra> this is what happen
<LIXO_MACREIRO> badgay se fudeu
<Mumm-Ra> they said a rock was over a million years old. every expert that was shown this rock said this
<Mumm-Ra> when the rock was flipped over guess what was inside it
<Mumm-Ra> a hot-wheels race car
<The_Don> look at ths raa
<LIXO_MACREIRO> pena nao ter programa q elimina burrice
<The_Don> to me looks lik SE asians are the purest race
<Mumm-Ra> what is this?
<The_Don> map of haplogroups
<The_Don> shows you what genes are located where
<LIXO_MACREIRO> badgay joga daqui 3 minutos?
<LIXO_MACREIRO> aq porra
<The_Don> as you can see africans share alot of gense with asians, and europeans
<The_Don> the bright blue E3 haplogrup
<Mumm-Ra> i cant see anything yet cuz idk what im looking for
<The_Don> its a DNA map of the world, before migration
<Mumm-Ra> theres letters and colors but they dont tell what they mean
<The_Don> haplogroups are groups of gense identified in the human genome project
<The_Don> look australia..
<Mumm-Ra> and of course if you listen to what i said then youd realise right now i said that blacks have the most variation. people can only lose genes
<The_Don> the orange colour – haplogroup C
<LIXO_MACREIRO> ta lento mesmo
<The_Don> it is shared with siberians
<Mumm-Ra> of course they will have genes from “everyone” not because they got it from them
<The_Don> this tells us the aboriginies, and siberians share a common ancestor
<Mumm-Ra> its because they are the starting sorce
<The_Don> its impossible to prove the first and oldest haplogroups
<Mumm-Ra> no its not. all you have to do is look at the DNA
<The_Don> the british for example are very different genetically to other europeans
<Mumm-Ra> when you take a dog for example
<The_Don> so where did the red colour haplogroup come from?
<The_Don> because it doesnt exist anywhere in africa
<Mumm-Ra> and you specialize it. you can go from a mut to a pit bull but not the reverse
<The_Don> this proves the white race did NOT descend from africa
<The_Don> thats not the same ra, if you trested DNA you wil find common genes in any breed from its ancestor
<Mumm-Ra> omg how can u understand but not at the same time? lol
<The_Don> red colour haplo group is exclusive to west europe, as is the orange one in abroginies
<thompsoni> o well ggs, gotta go anyway
<The_Don> if your bred a pit from a mut, the pit will have genes from its parents.
<Mumm-Ra> the very thing im telling you also proves evolution as a lie. theres many books on it
<The_Don> your looking at it from the simplistic prospecive of outwardly appearance
<Mumm-Ra> the science we have now is more like a religion. its not sound
<Mumm-Ra> no im looking at the truth. and the truth never lies
<The_Don> dna studies have nothing to do with evolution
<ellegend> sorry tomi my connection is bad
<thompsoni> ggs, i gotta go anyway
<ellegend> let’s try again
<Mumm-Ra> YES THEY DO
<ellegend> nice game
<The_Don> where did the dark blue O haplogroup originate from then?
<The_Don> ie in SE asia
<Mumm-Ra> because animals can not GAIN genes they can not evolve
<The_Don> youve been brainwashed by these black supremacists types, no offence but they dont know their ass, from their elbows
<Mumm-Ra> oh you think i carry this idea becaue im black haha
<Mumm-Ra> thats funny
<thompsoni> i think we have some “islamic” black supremacists group in usa
<Mumm-Ra> im christian
<The_Don> ive heard these sorta arguments from them typa guys in the past
<Mumm-Ra> guess your theory is debunked
<The_Don> you think jesus was black?
<Mumm-Ra> oh so you have heard the truth befor
<thompsoni> it comes down to who wins in a sfa3 match, he is right
<Mumm-Ra> thats what you said
<The_Don> i was joking, being sarcy
<Mumm-Ra> the bible only says Jesus has dark skin and curly hair
<The_Don> cus ive heard some black guys say that, and yes they were christians
<Mumm-Ra> its more believable if hes middle eastern
<Mumm-Ra> that is where he was born
<The_Don> arabs have curly hair…
<Mumm-Ra> duh thats what im saying
<Mumm-Ra> JESUS SPOKE ARABIC
<Mumm-Ra> when he died on the cross his words are arabic
<The_Don> nah , he spoke aramaiac
<The_Don> similar to arabic
<Mumm-Ra> well close enough for me. i dont know every detail
<The_Don> and the bible you read was written by the romans
<Mumm-Ra> its a direct translation…
<Mumm-Ra> sorry man i dont know hebrew
<Mumm-Ra> so sue me
<The_Don> i can prove it wasnt
<The_Don> you know wht they say….if you want the truth , go to the source
<The_Don> the palestiniant christians, dont do this son of god, trinity stuff
<The_Don> because their bibles dont have that, that was the roman additions, probably meant to be metaphorical, but people started taking it literally
<Mumm-Ra> thats interesting, id have to read the book. hold on let me watch the video
<The_Don> bed time fr me anyway, see ya later bro. thats a extract froma 1hr BBC documentary, and BBC is NOT big black cock, its british broadcasting centre
<A_BISON> cruzeiro se fudendo kkkkkk
<The_Don> before you go cruising to some porn sites…..
<Mumm-Ra> thats a good agrument but it doesnt disprove anything. they are just noting was is not included in that book but is included in the rest of the bible
<Mumm-Ra> BBC is known for lying
<Mumm-Ra> you should google that while im googling about the bbc
<Mumm-Ra> oh you didnt think i knew about that did ya 😛
<The_Don> yeah, but theres is individuality in the documentaries….
<The_Don> he palestiniant christians, are the true chrisitians, the real ones
<The_Don> yeah it depends on who made the documentary, ie the narrator
<The_Don> in this case, that black guy
<The_Don> he got fudning from BBC, and had it published in the BBC, buts its his documenary
<Mumm-Ra> oh im not saying hes lying
<Mumm-Ra> actually it seems like this may be true. especially since it does not contradict the bible.